Caste could play a role in who represents India, writes Andrew Stevenson from Sydney Morning Herald.

MANY and proud are those to make a major contribution to Indian cricket. Narayan Masurekar is not often listed among them, though perhaps he deserves a place.Masurekar was a relative of Sunil Gavaskar, born on July 10, 1949 in Bombay (now Mumbai).

By chance or fate, he chose to visit the baby twice in Dr Purandare hospital noticing, to the horror of all on the second trip, that it wasn’t the same boy.The tiny hole in the boy’s left ear – still visible today – was gone. A panicked search confirmed his judgement: the boy had been swapped with the son of a fisherwoman.Gavaskar, from a proud, wealthy Brahmin family, the highest caste in the Hindu social order, had an uncle, Madhav Mantri, who played for India. It’s one of the great imponderables, a classic recasting of the nature-nurture divide to speculate whether Gavaskar, raised by a fisherwoman, could have played the game.He might have had the eye and the dexterity to star in backstreet games, but would a fisherwoman’s son have played 125 Tests and scored 34 centuries? The chances may not have been great. The Brahmin caste, which forms only a tiny fraction of India’s population, has always dominated the national cricket side.

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Pic01: Indian cricket team reflects (inverse) resource distribution of Indian Society

Even today, with the game reaching further and further into the countryside, and the so-called lower orders, the Indian team has a decided flavour with Anil Kumble, Rahul Dravid, VVS Laxman, Sachin Tendulkar, Sourav Ganguly, R.P. Singh and Ishant Sharma all Brahmins. Wasim Jaffer is a Muslim, Harbhajan Singh a Sikh, while, of the Hindu players, only Mahendra Dhoni and Yuvraj Singh come from “lower” castes.But toss the question into still water and you might not hear a splash. Harsha Bhogle, the erudite Indian commentator heard on ABC radio and ESPN, was astounded to be asked about the role of caste in Indian cricket.”I don’t think that anyone in the Indian team would even be aware that X is from one caste and Z from another,” he said, adding he had no idea what proportion of India’s population were Brahmin. “I did not not even know that, it hasn’t crossed my mind at all.”

Gavaskar, acutely aware of how his fate was saved, still makes light of the effect on his life. “I keep thinking about I was found in a crib next to a fisherwoman so it definitely has had an effect on my cricketing career – look at the number of times I’ve been out caught fishing outside the off stump.”But caste and cricket? No influence, at all, he says.Similarly, Ravi Shastri, a former Indian Test captain and now the chairman of the national cricket academy. The preponderance of Brahmin players, especially batsmen, “is just coincidence”. He says: “It’s got nothing to do with it, ‘because they are Brahmins they are picked.’ I think they’re just being picked because they are Indians. The game is just popular among Indians, as simple as that.”It’s just that you are good enough to play for your country, and that’s why you are picked.”Bhogle admitted caste was still a key factor in Indian politics, where aspiring representatives search for guaranteed support.”Fewer and fewer people in the cities are thinking like that [about caste] and, left to ourselves, we wouldn’t even think about it. But politicians won’t allow us to forget because they’ve got to cater to their vote banks,” he said. “But luckily there have been some areas that are completely free of all that, our entertainment industry is completely free of it and I’m very happy to say our cricket is completely free of all that.”

Not all agree. Siriyavan Anand, a Dalit (the caste formerly called untouchables), has written provocatively and critically of the Brahmin domination, suggesting it was easy to “infer that cricket is a game that best suits Brahmanical tastes and bodies, and that there has been a preponderance of Brahman cricket players at the national level”.Anand’s argument that cricket is an idle and indolent game – at least when played by higher-caste Indians – is readily accepted by commentators and even Australian crowds, who know next to nothing of caste in India.”Why do their fielders not chase the ball to the boundary? Why do Indian batsmen rarely run for singles, apparently preferring to hit the ball to the fence or amble through for two runs in no obvious haste?” Anand wrote. “Having too many Brahmans means that you play the game a little too softly, and mostly for yourself.”

The man rated India’s best fieldsman, Eknath Solkar, is not a Brahmin, nor is Vinod Kambli, a precociously talented batsmen from a “lower” caste, who burst on the scene with Tendulkar when the pair made a world record partnership of 664 as schoolboys. He played the last of his 17 Tests in 1995, despite an average of 54.20 and a highest score of 227.Despite his talents, Kambli was always booed and mocked at his home ground, Wankhede Stadium in Mumbai. Observers believed it was because of the dark colour of his skin. Not so, says Kambli. “I think it’s because of my caste.”Siddhartha Vaidyanathan, assistant editor of cricinfo.com, believes caste is relevant within the Indian team at a subconscious level, “in terms of the groups that are formed, in terms of the people who feel wanted, in terms of the people who don’t feel wanted”. “It’s also because people from the lower castes have this tendency to not feel wanted, people have to make an extra effort,” he says.

“But people from the top castes have a tendency to be stand-offish, so I think exaggerates it a bit more and the gap increases.”Siddhartha can see caste as a possible explanation for the Brahmin dominance, particularly in batting. “Traditionally, cricket has been an elitist sport, and in terms of the physique and what you need as a batsman, it’s more skill, wrist and angles than what you need as a fast bowler or fielder,” he says. “That probably explains it in a way. If you look at the body structure of the higher castes, you would find they aren’t as athletic as they are deft.”Cricket is also a game of long hours – both in preparation through many days in the junior ranks, to play and to watch – establishing an inherent bias towards those wealthy enough to indulge their passion. Twenty20 cricket may be about to change all that, with the find of the recent national competition being V. Devendran, who hails from the tribal regions of Tamil Nadu.Shastri believes more players from the regions will emerge.

“People from the outskirts of the metros are hungrier, they want it more than the city boys, who are distracted by too many things,” he says. “You look at India, you look at Pakistan, you look at Sri Lanka – you will see more and more players coming from outside the main cities.”Dhoni, who comes from that other world and who is already the most popular Indian cricketer among the younger generation, only a notch below Tendulkar, is another example of the change.”His popularity is more from his dashing play, but in an indirect way, a village boy watching Dhoni will look at him and say, ‘If he can go on and do so well for India, I definitely can,’ that caste is not a barrier in cricket,” Siddhartha says. “This might open the tap.”

SECOND TEST SIDE
Castes among the Indian team’s Hindus:
Brahmin
Anil Kumble
Rahul Dravid
VVS Laxman
Sachin Tendulkar
Sourav Ganguly
R.P. Singh
Ishant Sharma
Jat
Yuvraj Singh
Rajput
Mahendra Dhoni

Of the team’s non-Hindus, Wasim Jaffer is a Muslim and Harbhajan Singh a Sikh.

Similarly, Ravi Shastri, a former Indian Test captain and now the chairman of the national cricket academy. The preponderance of Brahmin players, especially batsmen, “is just coincidence”. He says: “It’s got nothing to do with it, ‘because they are Brahmins they are picked.’ I think they’re just being picked because they are Indians. The game is just popular among Indians, as simple as that.”It’s just that you are good enough to play for your country, and that’s why you are picked.”Bhogle admitted caste was still a key factor in Indian politics, where aspiring representatives search for guaranteed support.”Fewer and fewer people in the cities are thinking like that [about caste] and, left to ourselves, we wouldn’t even think about it. But politicians won’t allow us to forget because they’ve got to cater to their vote banks,” he said. “But luckily there have been some areas that are completely free of all that, our entertainment industry is completely free of it and I’m very happy to say our cricket is completely free of all that.”Not all agree. Siriyavan Anand, a Dalit (the caste formerly called untouchables), has written provocatively and critically of the Brahmin domination, suggesting it was easy to “infer that cricket is a game that best suits Brahmanical tastes and bodies, and that there has been a preponderance of Brahman cricket players at the national level”.

Anand’s argument that cricket is an idle and indolent game – at least when played by higher-caste Indians – is readily accepted by commentators and even Australian crowds, who know next to nothing of caste in India.”Why do their fielders not chase the ball to the boundary? Why do Indian batsmen rarely run for singles, apparently preferring to hit the ball to the fence or amble through for two runs in no obvious haste?” Anand wrote. “Having too many Brahmans means that you play the game a little too softly, and mostly for yourself.”
The man rated India’s best fieldsman, Eknath Solkar, is not a Brahmin, nor is Vinod Kambli, a precociously talented batsmen from a “lower” caste, who burst on the scene with Tendulkar when the pair made a world record partnership of 664 as schoolboys. He played the last of his 17 Tests in 1995, despite an average of 54.20 and a highest score of 227.

Despite his talents, Kambli was always booed and mocked at his home ground, Wankhede Stadium in Mumbai. Observers believed it was because of the dark colour of his skin. Not so, says Kambli. “I think it’s because of my caste.”Siddhartha Vaidyanathan, assistant editor of cricinfo.com, believes caste is relevant within the Indian team at a subconscious level, “in terms of the groups that are formed, in terms of the people who feel wanted, in terms of the people who don’t feel wanted”. “It’s also because people from the lower castes have this tendency to not feel wanted, people have to make an extra effort,” he says.

“But people from the top castes have a tendency to be stand-offish, so I think exaggerates it a bit more and the gap increases.”Siddhartha can see caste as a possible explanation for the Brahmin dominance, particularly in batting. “Traditionally, cricket has been an elitist sport, and in terms of the physique and what you need as a batsman, it’s more skill, wrist and angles than what you need as a fast bowler or fielder,” he says. “That probably explains it in a way. If you look at the body structure of the higher castes, you would find they aren’t as athletic as they are deft.”Cricket is also a game of long hours – both in preparation through many days in the junior ranks, to play and to watch – establishing an inherent bias towards those wealthy enough to indulge their passion. Twenty20 cricket may be about to change all that, with the find of the recent national competition being V. Devendran, who hails from the tribal regions of Tamil Nadu.Shastri believes more players from the regions will emerge.

“People from the outskirts of the metros are hungrier, they want it more than the city boys, who are distracted by too many things,” he says. “You look at India, you look at Pakistan, you look at Sri Lanka – you will see more and more players coming from outside the main cities.”Dhoni, who comes from that other world and who is already the most popular Indian cricketer among the younger generation, only a notch below Tendulkar, is another example of the change.”His popularity is more from his dashing play, but in an indirect way, a village boy watching Dhoni will look at him and say, ‘If he can go on and do so well for India, I definitely can,’ that caste is not a barrier in cricket,” Siddhartha says. “This might open the tap.”

SECOND TEST SIDE
Castes among the Indian team’s Hindus:
Brahmin
Anil Kumble
Rahul Dravid
VVS Laxman
Sachin Tendulkar
Sourav Ganguly
R.P. Singh
Ishant Sharma
Jat
Yuvraj Singh
Rajput
Mahendra Dhoni

Of the team’s non-Hindus, Wasim Jaffer is a Muslim and Harbhajan Singh a Sikh.

Source: Sydney Herald



44 Responses to “Caste-Virus in Indian Cricket”  

  1. 1 DR.T.SUDHAKAR BHAT

    I am from Karnataka and am a brahmin and so can say with full authority-Anil Kumble and Rahul Dravid are not brahmins by caste. I have lived in North India long enough to know that ‘Singh’ is never a surname among brahmins anywhere in India and so probably R.P.Singh too is not a brahmin. Perhaps what is meant is that they are the ‘brahmins’ among Indian cricketers in their performance!.In fact, many of the brahmins in Karnataka are so poor that they can not afford pursue a carreer in cricket and still have two square meals a day!
    There is a story that a wolf found a lamb drinking water from the same stream as his, threatened to finish lamb because it was muddying the water meant for the wolf. When the lamb meekly replied that it was drinking downstream from the wolf and so can not be guilty of muddying the stream the wolf said “If not you, it might have been your father; I shall devour you anyway!” Brahmin bashing is the favourite pastime of wolfs today.
    DR. T.SUDHAKAR BHAT

  2. 2 Billy Singh

    YUVRAJ SINGH IS SIKH! He comes from Punjab and grew up in a SIkh family. He has Sikh relatives living in the UK and is 100% Sikh. Whoever wrote this article knows nothing about the subject and obviously has not done his research!!

  3. 3 Uday Bhan

    Who ever has written this article has not researched the subject very proparly.

    M.S DHONI – RAJPUT . Yes he is a rajput and rajputs fall in Upper Caste category.

    As mentioned by Billy Singh on Yuvraj Singh i too confirm that Yuvraj is a Sikh.

    One more correction- R.P Singh is (Rudra Pratap Singh) is a Rajput from U.P and not a Brahmin.

    When these guys play for INDIA we look at them as INDIANS and not on basis of CASTE, CREED, COLOUR or Religion. Please do not Politicise cricket on basis of CASTE and Religion.

    I request writers like you to stay away from Patritotism and keep your catse plotics to yourself. Country is above all this and i pitty that such filthy thinking people still exist.

    Why don’t you count Lower caste presence in Hockey. You will know the truth. Just becasue Cricket is Glamour everyone wants to gain fame through it. Gain fame by raising proper issues not such stupid topics.

  4. 4 Uday Bhan

    By the way since this article is written by a stinking Australian, i want to ask HOW MANY ABORGINEES or AB ORIGINALS are part of Australian Cricket Team?????????

  5. 5 KP

    Just some more info for this discussion. This is the current Under-19 India Team.
    Name Caste
    Virat Kohli (capt) UC
    Abhinav Mukund B
    Shreevats Goswam B
    Tanmay Srivastava B
    Manish Pandey B
    Taruvar Kohli UC
    Ravindra Jadeja UC
    Saurav Tiwary B
    D Shivkumar ?
    Pradeep Sangwan MC
    Siddarth Kaul B
    Ajitesh Argal UC?
    Napoleon Einstein None
    Perry Goyal UC?
    Iqbal Abdulla. None

    UC-upper caste (non-brahmin), B-Brahmin, MC- Middle caste (not official name)
    I may be wrong about one or two. Please correct it if you know for sure.

  6. 6 PRIYNKA

    I fully agree that brahmin caste dominate not only indian cricket team but every field whether itis film or politics or
    freedom fighting .

  7. 7 Kirit

    Miss Priyanka,
    Brahmins (2crore) have owned freedom for themselves ,since 1947, that has nothing to do with country and its population, rest 98 crore (Kshtiryas, Vaishyas, Shudras) are still slaves to ‘Brahmnic ideology’. Only Outcaste (non-hindus) are fighting against this ‘Inequal social-system’ in order to give freedom to all. The award they get is Atrocities. More they get educated, more will they face descrimination. But they do not worry. The struggle will not stop. They have leadership of new country’India’. The fight for freedom for 98% has just begun..

  8. 8 NIKHIL N.

    Yes you are right, discrimination still took place in INDIAN.
    In every field lower castes face discrimination.
    In INDIA games other than Cricket are not given importance because BRAHMINS(anti india) have not control over these games.

  9. 9 Vikrama

    Looks like all other castes are damn fools to be dominated by Brahmins for so long.

  10. 10 Indianlad

    Brahmin domination is a meaningless word promoted by nutty guys in our country.
    Anti-Brahminism is nothing but an off-shoot of european imperialism.Foreigners believed a brahmin seggregation could be attained by demonising the Brahmins which would help to strengthen their hold on the masses thereby diluting the freedom struggle which had people from the Brahmin community fighting in the forefront. It was crucial for the outsiders to isolate the Brahmins as they were the important educated caste in those era who questioned the foreign rule.Missionaries which received patronage from the British (and now from Pseudo-seculars) also identified this as a good send opportunity for converting the people in the name of caste.It would be strange to note that Dalits in TamilNadu still face oprression,not under brahmins,but by OBC landlords and casteist leaders.
    Equality should be there in our country.But certainly, anti-brahminism/brahmin bashing, is not the way for attaining this.People chanting anti-brahminical mantras have their own vested interests.

  11. 11 ganesh

    Ever wondered why brahmins had considerable amount of non-black eyes (amber,green)
    and a fair complexion. I heard britishers use to sleep with brahmin ladies.

    • caste word should not come into picture for the success of country,let us praise for what they are and not for their castes.Some people are using vulgar comments like “brahmin ladies use to sleep with britishers” so that they got that non-black eyes(amber,green).If that is your logic ganesh,what about the low caste people who got fair complexion they are sleeping with brahmin boys or britishers??.

      • i mean low caste ladies are sleeping with brahmins??.Just stop this type of comments,it will be good for you.

  12. 14 Prasad Ravinuthala

    Mr Ganesh,

    People with bad thoughts will always think bad only.Let us not to be part of that.Britishers came to india just 250 years back.But Brahmins have fair complexion from vedic era itself.Stop watching western movies.Start reading indian mythology, then you will come to know what is what..

    Also let us not deviate from the topic.It was already proved that the article is false.

    Sachin(Being an Indian) is worshipped as the God of the cricket.

    V V S Lakshman(Being an Indian) is the only indian player who has great record againest Australia(The world’s best team)

    Ganguly(Being an Indian) the most successful captain of Indian cricket team.

    I donot know about Kumble and Dravid whether they are brahmins.Irrespective of that I am proud of them as they are the worlds best Spinner and Batsman(As far as I am concerned we cannot replace the above players with any body)

    Please donot be jealous of them just because they are Brahmins.Feel Proud of them as they are Indians.And compare them with world class cricket players and judge but not based on the caste.

    Also I am sure that you are not a brahmin.And in this globalized world you should not wait for oppertunity.You should grab the oppertunity.If you really feel that Brahmins are dominating the Indian society try to dominate them and prove yourself.That is the rightway of responding this type of articals.

    Better not to respond with vulgar and uncensored words…

  13. 15 KISAN

    YES IN CRICKET ALL BRAHMINS ARE DISCRIMATING THE LOWER CASTES. HOW CAN LOWER CASTES WILL SHOW THEIR TALLENT IF THEY DO NOT GET THE CHANCE INDIAN CRICKET TEAM. HOW CAN WE SAY ITS A INDIAN TEAM?? AS ALL PLAYERS ARE BRAHMIN,UPPER CASTES, AND PRESIDENT ,SELECTORS,MINISTERS ALL ARE BRAMIN,UPPER CASTE. FOR INDIAN TEAM THERE SHOULD BE EQUALITY, EQUAL SELECTION FROM ALL SECTIONS OF SOCIETY AND RESERVATION CONCEPT GIVEN BY DR. B.R. AMBEDKAR IS VERY MUCH IMPORTANT WHY THERE SHOULD BE RESERVATION FOR LOWER CAASTES(SC/ST/OBCs) . NOT ONLY IN CRICKET BUT IN ALL SECTORS THERE IS PARTIALITY WHERE THERE IS NO RESERVATION (E VEN IF THERE IS RESERVATION VACANCY IS NOT FILLED AND ALLOWED TO UPPER CASTS BY SAYING THAT SUITABLE CANDIDATE WAS NOT FOUND.) BECAUSE SELECTORS ARE BRAHIMNS,INTERVIEW BORD CONSIST OF BRAHMINS. DO U UNDERSTAND WHY LOWER CATES ARE NOT SELECTED IN MOST EXAM INERVIEW EVEN AFTER QUALIFING WRITEN EXAMS RANKING HIGH.THINK AND UNITE ALL 85% LOWER CASTE BECAUSE WE R THE ORIGINAL INHABITANTS OF THIS COUNTRY RESTARE ARYANS.

  14. 16 Tamil

    Yes your are 100% correct.I bet, to write an article of this kind you should have done lot of research.Brahmins domination in cricket is not a new thing,it was there for many many years.The happy news is the door is slightly open for other people these days due to changing social conditions.Cricket is promoted as a sole popular game among the public by all sort of medias mostly owned by brahmins.There ars some channels started exclusively for cricket,the intention is to make people watch this sport and so that the brahmins involved in all level of this game earns money.See who is the chief selector now a brahmin? BCCI too dominated by brahmins and they always favour interest of brahmin players.Brahmin medias are always careful that no other sport which involves more physical activity do not get popular than cricket.Luckily I live in tamilnadu where brahmin domination is almost over in every sector except cricket.A man like bogle saying there is no such thing like brahmin domination in cricket is only to fool the world.But I guess brahmin domination is no more going to be there in the future,the guard is changing and cricket will be played bravely than ever.

  15. 17 George

    Brahmins dominating non-brahmins is a myth. People with skills will survive and it just happens that majority of the brahmins have got the necessary skills. Non-brahmins should also acquire the skills if you want to survive with them.

    stop complaining.
    start living.

  16. 18 Rajan Mehra

    Generally speaking, there is an enormous income disparity in India. Brahmins have traditionally been more well off than other castes, so even when caste discrimination is made illegal, one cannot expect income disparities to disappear overnight. On the other hand it is by no means self-evident that being a Brahmin gives ones privileges denied to others. Being Brahmin and poor is certainly not a contradiction in terms.

  17. 19 King

    I am not against the brahmins but one need to accept the truth that not only in cricket but every other field it is dominated by the brahmins and the so called upper caste, I hate to use the word upper caste but for the sake of undstg i use it.
    About a few years back INDIA TODAY came out with the article on the Brahmins and how they are dominating every sphere of the country. It was an excellent article well researched with Statistics and it explored all the fields in the country from politics, sports defence , judiciary, finance and every govt department and most of the heads of the institutions were brahmins, I believe there was lot of opposition for that. So one should accept the truth that India is caste dominated

  18. 20 om

    ok guys stop this caste politix…lets do one thing….select players on reservation rather than talent like we indians do in jobs and studies…. 11 players 5 general, 3 obc, 2 sc and 2 st ….. thats the bad luck of our country that our politicians endorse the caste sysytem and divide us in groups for votes…. only way to stop castism shud b to end all facilities based on caste and creed…..

  19. 21 CT

    Its not domination by Brahmins, but rather than stupidity exhbited by them. Absolutely, Brahmins do not have gany identity for themselves, and they can’t be sticking around with the others shamelessly. Brahmins, even for 5000 yrs back, were poor orphans, and were mercilessly executed more than once. Its nobody else’s problem that Brahmins were poor orphans – its upto the govt. to give them any benefits for being such orphans. And Brahmins are no way upper or highre caste and that does not make any difference in the system these days. But,orphans when allowed equally tend to ask for more, and thats exactly what they are doing. In effect, instead of blaming the ridiculed handicapped Brahmins, each one must try and do some hard work on their own, and acheive success. Balming even a blind beggar is of no use…its best to take up our work by ourselves and resolve to do it …no matter what…

  20. 22 thakurg

    brahmins ruleeeeessss they r best !!!!!

  21. 23 mr. Yadav

    dnt fight on caste……………

    every indian is best………

    Proud to be an indin…..

    RP thakur

  22. 24 RAN

    The Truth………The problem explained

    Upper caste Indians were,have been dominated Indians Politics and Business and all other areas that we can think of, Now all of a sudden after the Independence they are saying that we are equell and telling Lower caste Indians to compete with them.

    There are Middle Class people (41% of the population) and the Below poverty line people(41.6% of 115 crore) in India and they consist 82.6% , In that more than 90% of the people are Lower caste Indians /Outcasts. So the remaining 10-18 % are the Elite caste ,35% are from Upper caste India and 90% of them fit in Elite and Middle class.

    Since being able to offered to Quality education , Quality of living and economic Feasibility they can and do achieve more.Other have to strive because India is the Most Overpopulated poor country that nobody can help the poor, Now there is no more room for the Underdeveloped population of India to prosper .( No more arable land.No more jobs to offer by the Govt. private sector is very Tiny and it cant help the poor Indians.

    So the poor has to remain poor and has to suffer from not able to fight for a place in the good position in the social structure.Since the person never able to get the equal opportunities to compete,He remain poor, This is a vicious circle.

    Now there is no open discrimination and job reservations and etc.but Job reservations wont help even .01% of the population so how does it makes a change in a country that has 115 crore people.

    My point here is Since there is Huge Inequality in Living standard,Quality of education, Wealth, economic, Political power distribution there is no possibility of prepared well enough to compete and grab a position with the Upper caste /Elite caste people and have the Social Equality .

    So the Government /Peoples offering of “Equal opportunity “wont come in to Play since they cannot compete well enough.

    E.g :- If a person cannot get a Engineering degree because he belongs to Below poverty line/Lower Middle class people how can he compete with Upper /Elite class people(consist mostly of Upper caste people)

    E.g 2:- Australia has imposed some new laws to limit the immigration of the Indian and Asian people in the name of “Not belong to the Same work environment” or something to that extent.How can they achieve that if they don’t have that good Infrastructure and belong to a third world country. So the talented Indians and Chinese cannot get a job but rather a Person from wealthy Europe/Other developed country can get that job even though his native country can provide him good salary and Quality of Living.

    So here the person from the poor standards of living denied an opportunity on the above said RULE.

    (APPLY THIS LOGIC TO INDIAN CASTE SYSTEM)
    The Upper class/Elite class living comfortably well enough and so why they would share their resources with Lower caste Indians(The People of some other Ethnic group)

    Making them able to compete with the Elite/Upper middle class has 3 problems.

    1, Increased competetion and less change to win a chance.
    2. decreased control over the scare resources/Oppurtunities.
    3, No Population to work for them for lower wages

    and Economically and Financially all the people of India cannot achieve the High standard of Living the Elite/Upper middle class Indians that will drag down these people to Lower standards of Living.

    NO RACE/ETHNIC group of people would like to have more competition from others for the limited resources we have on the Earth and the control over the Lower class people.Just because we have limited resources and the Upper Class/Elite class–caste people have got Hold of these resources and Control over other people in the History and Now nobody wants to share their Inherited resources with Lower class/Caste people.

    Not Simple as that, You senseless idiot Ravi shastri , How come the 5% of the Population can have 75% of the Team members in the National team.if so you mean there is Nobody who is talented to play for the team from the 23% of the SC/ST castes for the Last 20-30 years???

    This is as Simple as this.

    I have 5 houses and 10000 hectares of land from my forefathers( They have won the war with Aborigines of this land ) So I will live the Luxurious life and help of My community/race and not the aborigines of this Land.I am the Rightful owner of this property. why should i help them with the profits i made from this land? ( I am working to get this profit in the firstplace),(I don’t like your color/Physical feature/Stature/language/culture anyway?

    He can compete with me for Job legally with me now.I don’t care you had good Quality of Education, Health facilities , Poverty or whatever.I don’t want you to have reservations just because you have poor standards of Living…

    So there is no solution for the poor/Lowe caste /African race /blacks problems because they are left behind and we are ran out of resources..We don’t care for their problems because they are not my people and I don’t have any relations (Marritial /Social and other) with those people.Let them handle their own issues themselves and I don’t want them to complain about my People.this is what Upper class ARYANS/Indians/European/Upper class Aboriginals/Well being human being around the world says.

    Thanks for reading this.sorry many things have repeated with a little changes.

    RANJIT M- Bangalore- Lower Middle caste/Class Indian.
    My MOTTO- Life is so short and Unfair for everybody – make the most of it.

  23. 25 Anil

    At Kirit and Ganesh
    Stop blabbering non-sense. All the non Brahmin communities control politics. Whichever party rules this country has no utter shame to prolong reservation. Every tom dick and harry from lower caste becomes an engineer or a doctor with reservation and not with their talents. They fight among themselves and crib that upper castes are discriminating them.If they dont have talent its their problem. We shine inspite of no reservations.We spread our wisdom at places like NASA where talent is the only measure. So is Indian cricket.

  24. any body who has written this article is totally unaware of indian caste system .
    yuwraj singh is rajput because his father is bundela rajput of bundelkhand region of uttar pradesh his name is yograj singh bundela he married a punjabi women so decide now what casteYUWRAJ really belongs to . father of yograj migrated to punjab when he was small( YUWRAJ IS THIRD GENERATION IN PUNJAB) . RP SINGH IS RAJPUT OF UP(RAIBARELI ) EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT MAHENDRA SINGH DHONI IS PAHADI RAJPUT OF UTTARAKHAND AND TANMAY SRIVASTWA IS A KAYASTHA (NOT BRAHMIN)

    • 27 sanjay

      Hello Hemant Kumar,

      Yuvraj singh is a jat by race and Sikh by religion.

      Proof:
      Excerpts from HT Brunch Mazagin-India-Delhi(07/05/06 – 7th May 2006):

      “For Subnam(Mother of YuvRaj singh), the early years of her were
      extremely tough and perhaps, if she had known, a portent of things to
      come. A national level basketballer who caught the eye of
      the larger-than life Jat Sikh Cricketer, she was married at 18 and left to
      her own devices at 19.”

      Excerpts from HT Brunch Mazagin-India-Delhi(07/05/06 – 7th May 2006):
      These are the words of Yuvraj’s mother:
      “No, it was’t easy at all,” she says as she looks back 25 years.”
      It was anyway difficult to adjust to a jat sikh family.

      Hello Hemant:
      Yuvraj Singh was a jat till 7th May 2006. But after that how you people converted him to Rajput from a jatt. Don’t know.

      Why don’t you ask to Yuvraj’s mother or father directly?
      Is he a Jatt or Rajput?

      He is a bundela jatt not a rajput

      • please go back to third generation of yuwraj .you will find your answer .i am a journalist and i know kind of research journalist generally go through while writing these kind of reports .the magazine you have quoted as proof can not be the last word . well even i can not also , but please do your own research , next time you will not write here iam sure .

  25. 29 Suresh Singh

    Hi All,

    Not sure why the caste discussion started at all in this blog. Focus should be on quality of the game and excellence and not who was born in what caste. People, we are in 21st century and India needs to march forward beyond all this crap.

  26. 30 yogesh soam

    M.S DHONI – RAJPUT . Yes he is a rajput and rajputs fall in Upper Caste category.
    r. p. singh is also a rajput from u. p.
    ravindra jadeja is also a rajput from gujrat

  27. 31 gs

    Ganesh,

    I don’t know which caste u belong to but i being a bachelor certainly what to sleep with your family laides
    Because of u cheap guys, some times on

  28. 32 amit

    shut up all!
    we are all indian
    and i proud to be an indian
    we are known as an indian in britain. not as a rajput as i am.

  29. 33 Alex

    I am an Australian, for some reason some of you may think that just because this article has been written by an Australian journalist that all Australians agree with his opinion. This is in reference to Uday Bhan and I am offended by your comments!!! It is true however that the majority of Australians would have no idea about how the caste system works, so here lies some of the problems. obviously there is no caste system in Australia and caste is not the same thing as class. To most Australians the notion of caste is abhorent, in that your circumstances are determined form birth and that you cant change your caste.

    However I think that from an Australian perspective that the team should be selected based on talent and ability alone. I live in Lauceston the town where Ricky Ponting grew up and I can assure you that it is far from an elitist town. Glenn McGrath another player who lived out of a caravan in his early club cricket days.

    According to my research the Brahman makes up around 4% of the indian population, but according to most sources makes up at least 50% of the selected players. My problem is not with the Brahman caste, but why so few of the Shudra, and partucularly the Datlits have been selected. Sure there have been a few individual cases for example Vinod Kambli, but for the most there seems to have been only one other Dalit selected being Balwanth Paloo. My question is to anyone who whishes to answer this question:

    Surely the Indian team should be picked on talent and ability alone, why then have been very few Dalits selected? Is it because the don’t have the same ability as those of the Brahman and upper castes, or are there other influences that determine this.

    I indeed have not written this to cause offence, rather to open up this debate. If I have offended in anyway I appologise for any offence caused.

  30. brahmans have knowledgeskills and talent which reflects in every fair competetive field which does not havve reservations.look into iit iim ias general seats majority are brahmans why? any answers u fool shudras and their supporters. u guys say that u constituue 85% poplation have u ever thought being majority even then y u have no rule no knowledge no skill and still willingly your forefathers used to touch brahman feet

  31. 35 krishna

    y u people make looooose comments
    no where bhramins r dominating rather in politics r something else
    by a survey made by India Today among 4% bhramins 80% r poor striving for their food
    by this Reservation system a JUSTPASS candidate is Dominating a Bhramin who secured
    80% of marks
    so u people just check u r self honestly n i know u dont accept this in public
    but Dont comment like this with half knowledge
    Mr.Ganesh
    i have a doubt on u r mother – if u r fare – with bhramin r britisher
    i have a doubt on u r mother – if u r not fare – with an african

  32. 36 alex

    Brahmins are in all key jobs and control who they hire,select. They won’t allow non brahmins gets selected unless the person is really talented. By default all the jobs goes to brahmins in corporation and they control all media HINDU , INDIAN EXPRESS , TIMES OF INDIA and most indian major news papers.

    They basically do what Jews in USA doing controlling the media and hollywood. Atleast jews are talented in various skills. Brahmins are famous for cheating and frauding people.

    TNCA is tamilnadu cricket board , they only allow brahmins from their relative circles to allow to play. So if you see from BCCI point of view all tamilnadu players are weak.

    Indian dalits are more stronger , more skilled and talented than brahmins in sports. That is the main reason pakistan separated from india knows brahmin’s evil treachery.

    The core of the problem is Temples , through them Brahmins still controll uneducated dalits. When you have money and no jobs, you listen to whoever with wealth.

    India is most racist country in the world. I hope india is divided then the chains of castism can be unshackled. May be pakistan and china should nuke India , that may be best chance for india to be really FREE.

  33. 37 alex

    Anyone who say brahmin are not controlling india are just afraid of brahmins or they are brahmins or if you ask anyone in cricinfo , they wil say no , Idea is they control everything , you can’t openly brahmin control india , bcci , then you will lose what ever you have.

    Brahmins are pure evil.

    They have this argument that they go get anything they want and work hard and others are just lazy bum and stupid.

    That is one treachery statement. From their context, to protect their belief system they have to think like that.

    Poor need education , money and jobs. They are still alienated from society of elites. if 4% telling everyone , rest 96% stupid , when india going to be free?.

    May be one day dalit go nuts and destroy all templs and its priests to be FREE or conver to christianity or become a muslim.

    India is a one fked up country with castism in every nook and corner.

    War is the only way to change status quo. revolution can’t happen without War especially in india. Pak must nuke india to make india free.

  34. 38 alex

    When anyone say I am indian , they are saying they are a fool and worship idols and live in tribal culture and be a slave.

    Only fools need GOD.

    Temples are main source of racism. Until temples get destroyed india will never be FREE.

    It will be a SHEEP mentality country.

  35. 39 alex

    Brahmins are destroying iNDIA> TNCA is a racist cricket board in India. They do not allow non brahmins selected to play in the ranji team. they have always create excuse to kick out brahmins. They are like exclusive brahmin club.

    Whole india is like that.

    All the people come here and we are all indians are like rat. Indians are always divided by caste. One of the worst disease ever created by humans.

    Brahmin word should be abolished and temples should be ransacked , until then indian is a slave country.

    Every time aussies abuse indian , i rejoice because when you are in rome you behave like roman and indians do not behave well.

    You never go to bad part of the town. Simple rule. Indians goes to bad place get robbed and beaten down. Idiots.

    Indian govt is also racist. Most prime ministers are from brahmins. They do not allow any one else. They all sit in corporate and now the first question they ask is are you brahmin before the interview.

    Indian is pathetic worst racist country in the world.

    I hope pak nuke india one day and Free india from caste slavery once for all.

    What is the use of GSLV when 80% live in poor. Indians are hypocrites to their own people.

    If british ruled india until now , india would have been more FREE by now.

    Brahmins are like parasite. It never go away until you burn the house down. The concept is the problem.

    people are innocent , it is the people who follow brahmin culture is a parasite that needs to be eliminated to be FREE india.

    But again it never happens until whole india destroyed.

    There will be Dalit revolution sooner or later and burn down all the power source like temples. Idol worshipping is idiotic thing , its only job is keep poor poorer.

    Brahmins not just cricket , everything. They are sneaky selfish EVIL paraistic aliens. hahahaha.

    :p

    • 40 shweta

      i just want to say that in every community,we have good and bad people..i am from sc category…and i have lot of friends from brahmin community,they all are very good people…but there are still a lot of people in brahmins who needs to change their low mentality…
      I am accepting that they (brahmin) are also acquiring good positions in every field like other castes and communities (but they are just a small part of it)..but even after acquiring higher position in every field those highly qualified people don’t understand that INDIA can never..never be a developed country…until and unless every person is on the same level..I am congratulating some of the bloggers being a ‘brahmin’…

      I should say “Once upon a time” u lived(ur forefathers) like a king…but not now…and if u people do not change ur low mentality, wrong attitude…then ur coming generation will also live like beggars..AND THEN U WILL ALSO GET RESERVATION..and then u will come to know…what is DISCRIMINATION..and WHAT IS THE REASON OF RESERVATION…AND FROM WHERE AND WHY HAS IT COME…

      Earlier INDIA was called “GOLDEN BIRD”….but now we are not even bronze bird…castism,discrimination is one of the major reason of this condition..British rulers took the advantage of it…which is called DIVIDE AND RULE..after 62 years of independence we are still the same stupid people..rather to say stop castism and discrimination,some stupid people are promoting castism..they are saying we are brahmins,that’s why we are intelligent and talented..HOW FUNNY IT IS..Mr.XYZ I have always scored much better marks in academics than my brahmin and other higher caste friends..my sister was the topper of her class…so never ever think that u are the only intelligent and talented community

      and if u want to taste the feeling of being discriminated go to AUSTRALIA…if discrimination in india is fair(according to some low mentality persons)..than it is also fair in australia..so why u people are cripping that australians are racist…at least all of the low mentality higher caste people (i am not talking about the good ones) should once visit australia so that they will get the feeling of being discriminated and how much respect they have for us…

      and if the talented and skilled brahmins are dominating indian CRICKET team..then why most of the times our team loose the matches..specially in finals..why we have not become the consistent performer and winner like australia…because they do not have the team spirit..because they are from a country..where they have only learned discrimination rather then unity or team spirit from their birth..that is in their blood ..they can’t help it

      so people of so called higher castes but have low mentality…stop thinking that u are superior to anyone..U ARE NOT AND AND U CAN NEVER BE…

      ALL THE BEST

  36. 41 sanjiv kumar

    shweta, dont get furious things has changed a lot
    today eveyone has the opportunity tomoe ahead
    castism will become irelevent only ability counted

  37. 42 gafsdg

    i love cows


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